Yeah... no. This is pretty much ********.

Also, free SP to allocate > SP in a predefined skill imo.

It's not free SP. They can fly the same ships as they could before except now their clones cost more.

How did you work out you are being punished? And again, what exactly is it that you want compensation for?

The only thing you are being "punished" for is your lack of forward planning

GÇ£RecompensationGÇ¥ suggest that something was lost. So the question is: for what? What have you lost?

No, having to train skills under new skill tree is not a loss GÇö it's just the game. In fact, under this new tree, you'll have a far easier time training for things than the older characters had.

At best, the older characters should be compensated for having their clones become more expensive without actually gaining anything for itGǪ

Given how many times both character generation and skillpoint training have been changed over the years, I would not get any hopes up.

And the game should not have to constantly bend over backwards to make "catching up" (for any reason) easy for new players. If new players have been off playing other games for years, or have been stuck on console gaming since their mom decided an XBOX was cheaper than a babysitter, then they should just HTFU and earn their place in EVE.

Onoes... actually having to make an effort.

Of course there will GÇö namely everyone else.

Now, you do understand that GÇ£catching upGÇ¥ is not an applicable concept in EVE, right? That the only thing that new players can't GÇ£catch upGÇ¥ with is total SP? That total SP is a meaningless stat that only serves one purpose: making your clone more expensive? That beyond total SP, GÇ£catching upGÇ¥ is not only very possible, but actually inevitable, and also a hugely inefficient way of spending your time? That the design of marginal improvement for exponential increases in cost, and of diminishing returns means that 1 SP Gëá 1 SP?

You're asking to be compensated for the non-loss of not being subject to an actual compensation (one that only results in them being exactly where they were before). You are getting the exact same deal.

They're getting a lot of it: they get a much improved ship progression tree, where almost everything is much easier and quicker to train for.

Can you identify the reason why?

No, not a single one, actually. Care to try again?

Exactly this ^ I already had my BC to level V on one of my characters with two of the racial cruiser skills above 3 already. Now, if the aim of the game was simply to maximise SP gain then I could spend a couple of hours getting the other two racial skills to level 3 for a massive gain in SP.

But guess what, that doesn't matter at all. So I kept the two racial cruiser skills I already have as I never intend on using the other two races ship with that character. Total SP is actually a negative point and keeping total SP as low as possible by not training useless skills is actually much better.

You really haven't learnt anything from what people are trying to tell you in this thread have you.

This is exactly the attitude of today's society. Do nothing and get it all

For this..?!


'Want' in one hand and poop in the other. See which one fills up first.
Your whinging sense of self-entitlement is jawdropping.



So are all self-entitled "gimmee gimmee gimmeee things I didn't earn" posts. You knew coming into the thread you were going to get hammered. You admitted it in almost your very first words in this thread. Knowing that, you have the temerity to complain that you've recieved precisely what you predicted..? !
Words fail.

I say again: This is EVE. EVE is harsh. HTFU or GTFO.

Oh? In what way?

True. What makes your post invalid is you complete lack of reasoning for why you should get a bunch of SP for no particular reason.

Eh, no. There are plenty of reason to stand against your idea that you should be GÇ£compensatedGÇ¥ for nothing. One of them is that you're asking to be compensated for nothing. Another is that you're already getting a much more optimise skill tree, so you have nothing to complain about. Yet another is that you have fundamentally misunderstood what the change and skill reimbursement is all about or how it works.

None of it is about how you have to GÇ£sufferGÇ¥ GÇö largely because you are the only one that think it's in any way related to suffering and punishment.

Yup. It's a game. It's a harsh game. Everyone in this thread save you seems to get that.

Do not compare EVE to another game, and then claim that such comparison makes your unreasonable demands reasonable. That other game is a different game and the conditions that apply there in no way, shape, or form place any obligation on CCP. Any such claim is futile, false, and further demonstrates your failure to understand that CCP is only answerable for those things that CCP does or has done.

CCP has done:
- Given a detailed description of upcoming changes, broadly communicated in a clear and logical manner.
- Warned us multiple times PRECISELY what we need to do to capitalize on upcoming changes.
- Left us on our own to behave like rational beings and act on what they've done and plan to do.

It is entirely clear you have failed to follow through. For that, we should agree with you? Be nice to your silly demand?
I think not.


No, Sir. It is not.

That is A solution. CCP has, in its wisdom, decided that your proposal is not the best way forward.

1- I am a new player, I dropped all my Guardian plans, T2 large guns plans, even I delayed hull upgrades 5 just to train BC to 5
2- They "decided" they are responsible for their decision
3- Giving them 2 million SP FREE to allocate anywhere is not fair for me, I who spent 1.5 months maxing out BC & Destroyers with all racial frigates/cruisers skills

I have joined after the titan nerf and after caps were kicked out of high sec, am I entitled to have a titan and a cap in my starting home system?

Yes, lets.

There are no "skill point" sales in league. There are "Aurum" sales. Kind of like EvE has PLEX bundle sales.

This relates to character progression how? Oh right, you can buy boosts in league that increase leveling speed for noobs, kind of like buying PLEX to fund implants in EvE.

Also, the reason people tell you to deal with it when you buy a character that then goes on sale, is the sales are announced well in advance. Sound familiar?

They reduce in-game prices of old characters over time. Kind of like EvE is about to reduce training requirements on specialized ships. Both have the same goal - to help a new player catch up to a competitive level.

You're just mad that I have every single champion in the League. That **** took effort. Err, made a skill plan that gave me what I wanted out of the skill changes.

(Disclaimer: I don't actually have every single champion in league - any more, since I started playing EvE I'm about 10 short)

6 mil SP spent somewhere you now regret is way worse than 2m unallocated SP. If you're willing to consider someone who regrets not training BC, why won't you consider someone who regrets the opposite?

The ever-growing EVE that isn't free to play like LoL is?

Besides, why does it matter that EVE has 500,000 subscribers instead of 50,000,000? We're going for quality here, not quantity.
LoL isn't even an MMORPG, so I don't know why you're trying to compare it to EVE anyway.

If this thread hasn't shown you that there really isn't, then I don't know what to say :/

Because PLEX randomly pops out of veldspar asteroids and Guristas pirates, right?

no you won't.

stupidity is a constant.

What about...NO !!!!

Why should someone not willing to have those skills get free SP when we, who have spent lots of time training for, are getting NONE ?

So let's get this straight once and for all: no one is getting FREE SP !!"if you could fly it before you will be able to fly it after"


How hard is this to understand???

EDIT: Why should I loose SP or ability to fly all of my T3's, T2's and Command ships when I can already do it now ?

Why people that haven't invested time in training all frigates/cruisers at 5 Destroyers and battlecruisers at 5, all T2 ships at least at 4 and all T3's subs and skills, get 2M free Sp?

Because they're special snowflakes?

It's not a gift, we trained those skills, therefore we can fly those ships, both before and after the upcoming patch, you on the other hand have not trained those skills, therefore you won't be able to fly those ships before and after the patch, unless you start training now, which is within the realms of possibility. All CCP are doing is bringing those two oddities in line with the pre existing racial ship skill types. The only change for those of us that already have the skills, that you are so upset about, is that our clones just got more expensive, we're not gaining anything at all, we are simply retaining what we already have. You on the other hand seem to want a handout, I've got news for you, not going to happen.

Now give us one good reason why you should get SP for free, when those of us that have invested the time only get to retain the ability to fly ships that we already can.

BTW "u" is actually spelt YOU, by using "u" as an abbreviation you make yourself look both immature and foolish, especially given that Eve tends to appeal to a more mature audience.

starts thread crying about ship changes you were informed about nearly a year ago.

had plenty of time to train the skills but decided not to.

demands 2mil SP for no reason other than stupidity.

complains bitterly when people point out your error.

say i'm the one crying.

And both were correct.

No problem for the responses it is our pleasure. I won't bother reading the rest of your post and will assume you have realised that you were behaving like a self entitled baby, and you have calmed down now we have pointed out to you that you can still achieve BC and Dest if you stop complaining on the forums and play the game.

With the game being around for 10 years, it's quite possible that the older players have something in their generation that the younger players do not have in their upbringing.


It known as being told "NO" as a toddler.

You're still whining for a CCP 'official' answer? It was already given. Repeatedly. Why do you think your pushy, immature, childish tantrum is going to get you anything else?


My eight-year old could parse this stuff better than you can.

No. U grow up. Then talk to me.

Ah, the "I know you are, but what am I?" response. I think Pee Wee Herman used that one best. You've managed a pathetic, pale, pale ghost of an imitation of Paul Reubens' deilvery.


So - you've been pidgeon-holed pretty thoroughly. By your own words, no less.
Heh.

how would i 'earn some fame' in this useless thread? it's just one person being told repeatedly they're wrong and not getting it, then becoming abusive and insulting because they don't know how to accept they're incorrect